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NYT article :
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/world/americas/mexico-mis...
I wonder how many more bodies are in that hole.
What a shame all around.
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looks like a well to me
(they found a 4th body in there!)
here is the location
31°30'29.78"N, 116°37'13.28"W
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From the article:
"Prosecutors also believe that the three people tied to the deaths tried to seize the victims’ vehicle. When they resisted, Ms. Andrade Ramírez
said, one man took out a gun, opened fire and then tried to dispose of their bodies. That person has been arrested."
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It was reported on last night's TV news (in San Diego) that the 4th body was the owner of the nearby ranch... Perhaps he heard the shots and came to
investigate? Horrible people to end 4 lives in their prime.
No doubt this will hurt tourism greatly.
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Zeta reported that 4 bodies were found in the well, the 3 surfers, plus what they think to be the ranch owner who has been missing for several weeks.
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | It was reported on last night's TV news (in San Diego) that the 4th body was the owner of the nearby ranch... Perhaps he heard the shots and came to
investigate? Horrible people to end 4 lives in their prime.
No doubt this will hurt tourism greatly. |
Not so much worried about tourism,… so many more mexicans have been victims of similar violence, disappeared.
In this case the popo mounted a big search for the gringos. But the popo dont mount big searches for mexicans who disappear.
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While I can understand cartel violence - among those involved - these depraved actions against innocent people are shocking. The rancher? Missing for
weeks? I think this is a new level of senseless, unpredictable violence not seen until recently. Makes me ill. This area needs to be unequivocally
off limits for all tourists and the word spread.
Pray for these people. That poor mother.
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a part of the human race has always been murderers
old books are full of them
since the percentage is small, you can somewhat avoid becoming a victim by avoiding places where a lot of people live
the chances to become a victim in San Ignacio are low
there are some other smart moves - but staying away from large population centers is key
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I suspect that the criminals in this case are either cartel washouts, or wannabe's. What cartel would want to bring this kind of attention to their
operations?
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I'd suspect they are just low-life, criminal meth heads with no affiliation to the cartels or anything else.
As far as I'm aware, the cartels have never been into targetting tourists or expats. They are into organized crime- drugs, tapping pipelines, shaking
down businesses for "protection" money, etc., getting politicians and cops in their pockets, killing journalists who expose them, etc., not random
acts of violence.
[Edited on 5-4-2024 by surabi]
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I just saw a photo on a news site of the brothers with their parents. Those young men were BIG. They tower over their parents- looks like they were at
least 6'4', and buff. I would suspect the attack happened when they were asleep, or they were outnumbered.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | Yeah, I can certainly understand 3 young, fit guys assuming they could handle whatever came their way. But when there are monstrous criminals around,
apparently that's not good enough.
I'm sure most of us had a feeling of invulnerability when we were younger, it's pretty common and natural. I used to travel all over and not contact
my parents for weeks on end. I knew I was okay and thought they were just being neurotic and overprotective to be concerned.
Put myself into some situations that could have easily
gone south that I now look back on and realize how
naive and foolish I was and just lucky that nothing bad
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Reportedly, at least one of those three young men was a world class athlete. Looked to be extremely fit and powerful. As you have rightly observed, it
is not enough to overcome someone who intends to do harm, when you are not expecting it. Even if a person is armed, the element of surprise will most
often trump even that. This has been my first hand experience, having also been in situations that could have easily gone south. Criminal cowards use
the element of total surprise.
[Edited on 5-4-2024 by cupcake]
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It made national news. Was one of the lead stories on CNN's main Saturday show.
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I'm a subscriber. This is the info it contained that I haven't read elsewhere.
From the article:
"Prosecutors also believe that the three people tied to the deaths tried to seize the victims’ vehicle. When they resisted, Ms. Andrade Ramírez
said, one man took out a gun, opened fire and then tried to dispose of their bodies. That person has been arrested."
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Lots of ways to get past paywalls. Here is a good one https://12ft.io/
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These numbers right?
From the article, eye popping numbers. Bad guys taking each other out is one thing but how do these numbers breakdown for tourist/ traveller murders.
Rough figures, so 6 murders to deal with EVERY day in Baja? No wonder the solved rate is so low (assuming that is still the case) in Mexico.
| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by sanquintinsince73 | From a post on CBS 8 San Diego:
Like I’ve always said there’s those who understand the reality of what Mexico is and then there’s those who CHOOSE to be in denial. It’s
usually the expats who will give you the most grief when you say anything that’s not flattering about Mexico until it happens to them or someone
they know. Though I was born and raised here I have plenty of family still in Mexico and they themselves will not hesitate to tell you how bad and
unsafe the country has become. There has always been some element of danger but it’s completely out of control these days and when you have a lot of
police officers who are on the cartels payrolls it’s open season on just about anyone from Mexican nationals to foreigners. |
I hope you didn't sprain your hamstring too badly when you were sprinting as fast as you could to post this to BN's.
Have you seen the crime explosion in the US? Even in my little burb outside LA there are weekly stories of violent crime on Nextdoor.
How often do these attacks on foreigners actually occur? They are incredibly tragic, but not common considering the millions that travel to Mexico
every year. It is far, far from "open season on foreigners."
Put ice on the hammy and take a couple Advil.
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On Easter Sunday, I broke down north of Loreto, and got towed to a shop on the highway coming into town. The mechanic who worked on my Trooper that
day, and the one next-door who repaired my alternator the next morning, were both from Oaxaca, on the mainland.
They re-located to Baja because they no longer felt safe in the community they grew up in!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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Many years ago I was at my favorite local llantera getting my tire fixed. There was a Mexican family there also, their car loaded to the max and
towing a boat, so obviously well-off. They told me they were from Tamaulipas, and relocating because things had becone too dangerous there.
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Anyone know what happened to Humfreyville?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Bajagringo wrote a piece worth reading…
To Mexico and the Rest of Us Who Love this Country…
An open letter to Mexico and all the rest of us who love Mexico. The very best of Baja is slowly becoming too dangerous to visit anymore
https://talkbaja.com/to-mexico-and-the-rest-of-us-who-love-t...
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