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surabi
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Regardless of border crossing requirements, anyone who cares about their dog will get them vaxed against rabies and other dog diseases. Dogs can get
rabies from contact with other infected animals.
Once when I was in elementary school, us kids couldn't leave at the end of the day, because a rabid dog had somehow gotten into the front doors of the
school and was trapped between the outer and inner glass doors. They were waiting for animal control to arrive. I remember standing there with the
rest of the kids watching the dog through the doors. It was foaming at the mouth, and throwing itself against the doors. It was horrible.
I once read an account by a human who contracted rabies and miraculously survived. He described feeling as if you are drowning, as the salivary glands
go crazy and liquid continually fills your throat and mouth.
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About seven weeks ago, I was biten by a dog in TJ. I was just walking on the sidewalk back to my hotel in the evening. Dogs often become more
aggressive in the evening, and this dog ran out of the car parking lot where it lives, onto the sidewalk and bite me before I even knew it was there.
I was greatly relieved to read online of Mexico´s wonderfully succesful effort of vaccinating dogs against rabies throughout the country. However, as
a layperson who knows something about rabies, having been bitten by dogs in India, where thousands of people die every year from dog contracted rabies
(and where I received post exposure rabies prophylaxis), I still came back in ten days time to see that the dog was alive. It was, which means I could
not have been infected with rabies via that particular dog bite (the dog would have been dead within ten days had it been capable of transmitting the
rabies virus when it bite me). I also stopped by to see the dog again, at the one month post bite mark. Still alive and healthy. Never been so happy
to see a bad dog...
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pacificobob
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Quote: Originally posted by surabi  |
I think it's good to have some innocuous but nevertheless "verboten" item with you, which you obviously haven't made any attempt to hide, when
crossing borders as a sort of decoy to being majorly hassled. Once they find something like a hard boiled egg, an apple, or an open package of
sandwich meat, they can confiscate it and feel they've done their job and let you know who's boss.
[Edited on 5-11-2024 by surabi] |
That's a tried and true method. Lots of contraband has been overlooked while the inspector is distracted by a piece of fruit.
[Edited on 5-12-2024 by pacificobob]
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The free speech clause only applies to the government, and it doesn't protect you from being called out and shown the door when applicable.
Back on topic, will most vets down here do a rabies vaccination? Pretty sure mine aren't going to the states ever but might as well get it done.
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surabi
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Yes, as far as I'm aware all vets in Mexico have all the dog shots available including rabies.
And in the US, the rabies shots are good for 5 years, I think, but in Mexico only for 1 year. My vet said it's because it's a different type of rabies
shot, but I don't know if that's actually true.
One good thing- vet services are so much less expensive in Mexico than the US,as long as you don't go to vets who cater to tourists and expats
My dog's yearly shots cost about 400 pesos.
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Here, the first rabies shot was good for a year, then every three years after that.
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pacificobob
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Mexican law rabies vax 1 year
USA 3 years
Anti vaxers,?
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AKgringo
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I only allow vaccinations in her left butt cheek. The right cheek remains unspoiled!
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surabi
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Yeah, my dog started in on an anti-vax rant (even though I really try to monitor what she reads online) but I told her no treats for a month, so she
shut up about it, and relented. 
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Doug/Vamonos
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Every time I post here I wonder why the hell did I do that? I was hopeful for an intelligent conversation about the new regs.
With that said, someone mentioned that Mexico is a rabies safe country and therefore not applicable. My read of the regs isn't the same. What I seemed
to understand is ALL dogs must have the chip that satisfies the international requirements. And the dogs must have the rabies docs and international
travel papers. Is that what you see?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos | Every time I post here I wonder why the hell did I do that? I was hopeful for an intelligent conversation about the new regs.
With that said, someone mentioned that Mexico is a rabies safe country and therefore not applicable. My read of the regs isn't the same. What I seemed
to understand is ALL dogs must have the chip that satisfies the international requirements. And the dogs must have the rabies docs and international
travel papers. Is that what you see? |
If you're looking for definitive and intelligent conversation you might have come to the wrong place.
If US regs call for appropriate paperwork AND chip, then that's the best route to take. Get the chip and do the paperwork.
There might be a lag for these regs to make it to border agents.
Just do it.
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F*ck it.
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From my read, only one of the categories apply here: Mostly*
"Required documents for dogs ((That Departed) the United States and have been only in dog rabies-free or low-risk countries during the 6 months before
entry:
Mexico is not on CDC high risk list
https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-...
It looks like for the majority here , the only thing that changes is to have a CDC Dog Import Form receipt
*Mostly - I say this because I imagine the majority here are going from the US to Baja and back and most will have a dog health certificate . If you
don't , there are more hoops .
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I apologize for my part in veering off topic, and I agree with Lee that I should know, and comply with the requirements for crossing the border with
dogs.
I have done my best over the last thirty years traveling from AK to CA and Baja to get it right, and so far have not had a problem. This is what I
have experienced;
Traveling by air, the regulations have always been strictly enforced.
Traveling by car, they have never been strictly enforced.
That includes the Canadian border as well as Mexico.
I find it strange that a few years ago, the requirement for a health certificate ($35 added to exam and medical charges) was eliminated for land
crossings, but now they are going to require a micro-chip to scan?
My dogs have been chipped, but are they commonly available in Mexico?
My guess is that it is because a photo ID for a dog is impractical, and they want to make sure the shot records presented are for the dog presented.
I am sure that every airline will have chip scanners, but unless a driver is sent to secondary inspection, there will likely be none at the border
agent booth.
[Edited on 5-13-2024 by AKgringo]
[Edited on 5-13-2024 by AKgringo]
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Doug, it appears a troll is on the warpath again on Baja Nomad. He/she is quite persistent. Let's all hope he/she gets bored and moves on.
Ignoring all the posts is highly recommended, since attention appears to be the motivation.
We do get all kinds, at times. Thanks for keeping Nomad going. I am sure at times it is quite trying.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | If you're looking for definitive and intelligent conversation you might have come to the wrong place. |
The power of the understatement...!
"I can normally tell how intelligent a man is, by how stupid he thinks I
am."
"...they were careful of their demeanor that they not be thought to have opinions on what they heard for like most men skilled at their work they
were scornful of any least suggestion of knowing anything not learned at first hand."
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | I apologize for my part in veering off topic, and I agree with Lee that I should know, and comply with the requirements for crossing the border with
dogs.
I have done my best over the last thirty years traveling from AK to CA and Baja to get it right, and so far have not had a problem. This is what I
have experienced;
Traveling by air, the regulations have always been strictly enforced.
Traveling by car, they have never been strictly enforced.
That includes the Canadian border as well as Mexico.
I find it strange that a few years ago, the requirement for a health certificate ($35 added to exam and medical charges) was eliminated for land
crossings, but now they are going to require a micro-chip to scan?
My dogs have been chipped, but are they commonly available in Mexico?
My guess is that it is because a photo ID for a dog is impractical, and they want to make sure the shot records presented are for the dog presented.
I am sure that every airline will have chip scanners, but unless a driver is sent to secondary inspection, there will likely be none at the border
agent booth.
[Edited on 5-13-2024 by AKgringo]
[Edited on 5-13-2024 by AKgringo] |
Here is a good idea: add microchips to the vaccines! Easy peasy to track your dog and at same time verify vaccination status!
We should do that with human vaccines too, many practical applications in governance and enforcement
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We take our dog back and forth, 6 or 7 times a year, he has had his shots and chiped! When we frist started taking him, my wife had to get him his
DOGGY
PASSPORT! It has all his papers, and shot info. inside. After 3 years we have never been asked for any thing! But if they do we should be ready. Goat
may have gone a little off topic, but I do agree with him about his border crossing rules! As we to do Sentry, and want to stay in there good graces!
FYI she got the doggie passport on Amazon if you should want one.
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AKgringo
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I will check in to getting one of those passports, it sounds like it would be handy if we wind up flying again. As for the agent at San Luis, she
would not even look at the papers I had in my hand.
I was as polite and cooperative as I could be, but it seemed like she was having a bad day and wanted to share it!
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from the SD Reader......
Due to Mexico’s sweeping rabies campaign and free vaccination program, they have been officially rabies-free since 2019, and the last two cases of
dog-to-human transfer occurred in 2006.
I have travelled across the border dozens of times with my dog – and several fosters to new permanent homes – over the past decade. I have never
once been asked for any paperwork, health certificates, or vaccination records. Rabies vaccinations may be required for air travel, cruise ships, and
when entering certain states but were not required over the past few years since Mexico was declared rabies-free.
Now new CDC requirements for people traveling with their dogs from Mexico, whether the dog is from the U.S. or Mexico, include a microchip, a CDC form
electronically filled out, and applicable vaccinations or health certificates. All information is to be tied to the microchip. The requirements come
from a federal bill sponsored in 2020, the Healthy Dog Importation Act, which never got a vote.
The original intent was to control cross-border puppy mills that do so to avoid certain state or federal domestic rules. That bill, however, struck
down section 18, which defined ‘importer’ as “any person who, for purposes of resale, transports into the United States puppies from a foreign
country”, and resale as “any transfer of ownership or control of an imported dog of less than 6 months of age to another person.”
In the CDC regulations going into effect on August 1, 2024, ‘importer’ now means, “any person bringing a dog into the US, pet, rescue, or
otherwise.” There are several sections in the new announcement, including ‘All Dogs’ and ‘Dogs from Low-Risk or Rabies-Free Countries’.
A fuss in veterinary and expat circles has bubbled up. The CDC suggested timeline, for one, begins 60 to 90 days before crossing the border in either
direction, and requires signatures and official stamp, photo, and more. The electronic form is not yet available and won’t be until July 15, and as
expats or tourists (including me) get our dogs vaccinated in Mexico where we spend most of our time, it will require dealing with a sluggish
bureaucracy to get the required ‘official government veterinarian’ stamp.
Rescue operations are inundated with dogs on both sides of the border. The new regulations will severely hobble rescue efforts, according to insiders.
Per Gabriella Stupakoff Morrison at Mulege Animal Rescue, “For the record, we are all for the CDC changing its laws since that hasn’t happened
since the 50s. And we don’t disagree that a dog should be healthy before being admitted into the US. But the rest is overreaching, unnecessary
(punitive even), and will place a sizable burden on our small organizations.”
Vets in the U.S. weren’t even notified. I was in a back-and-forth with Rebecca Lemmon, a vet who had no clue of the policy before it’s release.
She said that there is quite an uproar on the Veterinary Information Network. “Lots of frustrated people. And I mean, we just found out this week so
over the next month or two it’ll get noisier. Especially when people start figuring out what they have to do with their dog.” At this point, the
new regs are staggering to many, and if anyone is planning travel to Baja with their dog and return on or after August 1, they better read up on the
new regs and follow them to a T, because as per the CDC, they will be turned back at the border.
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Hey Stillinbaja! Outstanding response! That is exactly the information I was looking for. I'm going north for my bro's wedding August 10 so this is an
issue for me. One dog chipped 12 years ago. One no chip. Do you know if chips from 12 years ago even include the rabies information the CDC is looking
for? Actually that is a stupid question because obviously they wouldn't include any data other than what was entered in the database at that time.
Thank you so much and I look forward to your updates about this issue.
[Edited on 5-14-2024 by Doug/Vamonos]
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